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>> Woodruff: GOOD EVENING, I'M JUDY WOODRUFF. ON THE NEWSHOUR TONIGHT...
>> BRETT KAVANAUGH TO SERVE AS ASSOCIATE JUSTICE.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN.
>> Woodruff: BEGINNING WITH A BRAWL, THE KAVANAUGH CONFIRMATION HEARING KICKS OFF AMID PROTESTS, AS DEMOCRATIC SENATORS ASK TO STOP T PROCEEDINGS. WE BREAK DOWN THE KEY MOMENTS OF DAY ONE.
>> I TELL PEOPLE, "DON'T READ ABOUT MY JUDICIAL OPINIONS. f:AD THE OPINIONS.
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>> Woodruff: IT'S SHOWDOWN TIME IN THE SENATE OVER SUPREME COURT NOMINEE BRETT KAVANAUGH. HIS CONFIRMATION HEARINGS OPENED TODAY, WITH A DONNROOK OVER DOCUMENTS AND REPEATED PROTESTS. CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT LISA rdSJARDINS BEGINS OUR COVERAGE.
>> Dess: IT TOOK JUST TEN SECONDS FOR THE HEARING...
>> GOOD MOinING.
>> Desja ...TO GET CONTENTIOUS.
>> I WELCOME EVERYONE TO THIS CONFIRTION HEARING ON THE NOMINATION OF JUDGE...
>> MR. CHAIRMA..
>> BRETT KAVANAUGH TO SERVE AS ..SOCIATE JUSTICE...
>> MR. CHAIRMA
>> ...OF THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES.
>> ...I'D LIKE TO BE RECOGNIZED FOR A QUESTION BEFORE WE PROCEED.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN. I'D LIKE TO BE RECOGNIZED TO ASK A QUESTION BEFORE WE PROCEED. THE COMMITTEE RECEIVED, JUST LAST NIGHT, LESS THAN 15 HOURS AGO, 42,000 PAGES OF DOCUMENTS THAT WE HAVE NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO READ OR REVIEW OR ANALYZE.
>> YOU ARE OUT OF ORDER. I'LL PROCEED.
>> Desjardins: ONE BY ONE, DEMOCRATS ON THEENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE DERAILED THE PLAN FOR OPENING STATEMENTS AND T MANDED MORE TIME TO REVIEW JUDGE BRVANAUGH'S MASSIVE PUBLIC RECORD.
>> WE BELIEVE THIS HEARING SHOULD BE POSTPONED. OT MR. CHAIRMAN, IF WE CAN BE RECOGNIZED, I MOVE TO ADJOURN. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE TO ADJOURN. ( APPLAUSE ).RO
>> ...DIRECTLYJUDGE KAVANAUGH.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE
>> Desjardins: THE MELE CONTINUED FOR MORE THAN AN HOUR. REPUBLICANS TEXAS REPUBLAN JOHN CORNYN PUSHED BACK.
>> HOW RIDICULOUS IT IS TO SAY THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE RECORDS IT TAKES TO DETERMINE IF THISQU PERSON IIFIED TO BE ON SCOTUS WHEN ALL THE DOCUMENTS HAD ADD UP TO MORE THAN WE'VE HAD FOR THE LAST FIVE NOMINEES. LD SUGGEST THAT IF THIS WERE A COURT OF LAW, THEN VIRTUALLY EVERY SIDE, EVERY MEMBER ON THAT SIDE OF THE DAIS WOULD BE HELD IN CONTEMPT OF THE COURT.
>> AT SOME POINT ARE WE GOING TO HEAR FROM THE NOMINEE?
>> Desjardins: ALL THIS, AMIDST A BARRAGE OF INTERRUPTING PROTESTORS INSIDE THE OM... HE IS NOT THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE!
>> MORE WOMEN ARE GOING TO BE SENT TO BACK ALLEY ABORTIONS!
>> Desrdins: CAPITOL POLICE ESCORTED THEM OUT, LEAVING EMPTY SEATS IN THE BACK AND OPENLY FRUSTRATED REPUBLICANS IN FRONT.
>> FRANKLY, THESE PEOPLE ARE SO OUT OF LINE, THEY SHOULDN'T EVEN BEEN ALLOWED IN THE DOGGONE TOM.
>> DesjardinRE WERE MORE PROTESTORS OUTSIDE THE ROOM-- THIS GROUP'S OUTFITS RCING THE TELEVISION SHOW "THE HANDMAIDS TALE," A SYMBOL OF WOMAN'S RIGHTS, AND OF THE D AT THE HEARING ITSELF.
>> Woodruff: AND TO OUR OWN LISA DESJARDINS WHO WAS IN THE HEARING ROOM. LISA, IT WAS NOT WHAT EVERYBODY EXPECTED.
>> NO, IT WAS NOT. IT WAS REALLY REMARDYKABLE, J I'VE BEEN TO A LOT OF CONTENTIOUS HEARINGS, ESPECIALLY IN THE LAST ONE AND A HALF ARS, AND THIS SORT OF OUT-RANKS THEM ALL, AND THIS IS JUST DAY ONE.
>> Woodruff: THAT'S RIGHT. I THINK, STARTING FROM THE BEGIING, AS YOU SAW, THE HEARING BARELY GOT UNDER WAY WHEN THE DEMOCRATIC SENATORS -- AND WE KNEW THAT THERE WAS TREST AMONG DEMOCRATS ABOUT THE FAILURE E WHITE HOUSE TO RELEASE SOME DOCUMENTS, A LAWYER REPRESENTING GEORGE W. BUSH, IN WHOSE ADMINISTRATION BRETT AVANAUGH WORKED. BUT WHAT WEDIDN'T REALIZE IS THAT WE WERE GOING TO SEE ALL 10 DEMOCRATS ON THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE ULTIMATELY EXPRESS OXTREME UNHAPPINESS AND CALL FOR THE HEARING TO
>> THAT'S RIGHT. THEY TOOK TURNS. THEY WERE CLEARLY UNIFIED. TH LEY HAD SPENT OF TIME STRATEGIZING, JUDY. AND IN THE END, WHAT THEY WERE TALKINABOUT TODAYOST SPECIFICALLY WERE THOSE 40,000-PLUS PAGES OF DOCUMENTS THAT THEY JUST GOT LAST NIGHT. BUT, REALLY, THE BGER ISSUE IS JUST THE MASSIVE AMOUNT OF PAPER RY.BRETT KAVANAUGH'S HISTO DEMOCRATS, ESPECIALLY, WOULD LIKE TO SEE DOCUMENTS PERTAINING TO THE TIME HE SPENT AS WHITE HOUSE STAFF SECRETARY. THAT'S WHEN HE SAW PERHA MILLIONS OF PAYMENTS OF DOCUMENTS CROSS HIS DESK. HE MAY HAVE RUNG IN ON THEM OR NOT. BUT THEY DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THAT AT ALL, AND THEY'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT THAT. THOSE DOCUMENTS WILL EVENTUALLY BE MADE PLIC BUT THEY HAVEN'T YET. MEANWHILE, JUDY, TESTIFYING ALSO CONTENTIOUS OF COURSE IN THE CROWD AND CAPITOL POLICE E-MAILED US AND SAID OVERALL THEY MAD SOME 61 REMOVALS FROM THAT ROOM. 40AT'S REALLY REMARKABLE BECAUSE THERE WERE JUSTEATS FOR THE PUBLIC. SO WHAT WAS HAPPENING, PROTESTERS WERE COMING IN, BEING TAKEN OUT, AND THE NET PEOPLE IN LINE WERE OFTEN OTHER ooOTESTERS.
>>uff: AT ONE POINT IT LOOKED LIKE VIRTUALLY EVERYBODY WHO WAS THERE TO WATCH THE HEARING WAS BEING--
>> I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.
>> Woodruff: ...WAS BEING TAKEN AWAY WHO WASN'T PART OF THE KAVANAUGH GROUP OR THE PRESS. SO THE DAY DID MOVE ON. IT MOVED ON TOTATEMENTS BY THE SENATORS, WHICH WAS PLANNED, AND EDT'S ATTACK A LISTEN TO WHAT HAPPEXT. HERE'S MORE OF LISA'S REPORT.
>> I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT-RE
>> DEMOCRATSED ON SPECIFIC ISSUES, OFTEN THE MOST MCONTROVERSIAL ISSUES INICAN LIFE.
>> I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ONE OFHE BIG DECISIONS THAT WE HAVE THE BELIEF THAT ALTHOUGH YOU TOLD SENATOR COLLINS THAT YOU BELIEVED IT WAS SETTLED QLAW, TSTION IS ATALLY IS THAT IT'S CORRECT LAW- AND ROE V WADE. ILE PRESIDENT THAT NOMINATED YOU HAS SAID INOMINATE SOMEONE WHO IS ANTI-CHOICE AND PRO-GUN AND WE BELIEVE WHAT HE SAID.
>> THE N.R.A. HAS POURED MILLIONS INTO YOUR CONFIRMATION ATPROMISING THEIR MEMBERS YOU'LL BREAK THE TIE. THEY CLEARLY HAVE BIG EXPECTATION ON HOW YOU'LL VOTE ON GUNS.
>> YOU ARE ASPIRING TO BE THE MOST DECISIVE VOTE ON THE SUPREME COURT CRITICAL ISSUES. BUT OVER AND ABOVE ALL OF THOSE THINGS IS THIS. YOU ARE THE NOMINEE OF PRESINT DONALD JOHN TRUMP. THIS IS A PRESIDENT WHO HAS E OWN US CONSISTENTLY HE'S CONTEMPTUOUS OF LE OF LAW, AND IT'S THAT PRESIDENT WHO HAS DECIDED THAT YOU ARE HIS MAN. YOU'RE THE PERSON HE WANTS ON THE SUPREME COURT. YOU ARE HIS PERSONAL CHOICE. ARE PEOPLE NERVOUS ABOUT THIS? ARE THEY CONCERNED ABOUT IT? OF COURSE THEY ARE!
>> Desjardins: KAVANAUGH LISTENED ATTENTIVELY, BUT SILENTLY. REPUBLICANS TRIED TO SPEAK FOR HIM, CHARGING THAT DEMRATS WERE ENFLAMING PARTISAN EMOTION.
>> I HOPE THIS WEEK WE CAN ALL TAKE A DEEP BREATH. WE'RE NOT DOING VERY WELL SO FAR. PRD GET A GRIP AND TREAT THIS ESS WITH THE RESPECT AND ASAVITY IT DEMANDS.
>> GANYONE WHO PRACTICES REGULARLY BEFORE THE SUPREME COURT WHO DOESN'T HAVE A PARTISAN AGENDA AND THEY'LL TELL YOU JUDGE KAVANAUGH IS EXACTLY THE KIND OF PERSON WE SHOULD HAVE ON THE COURT.
>> YOU ARE INDEPENDENT. YOU'VE WRITTEN THAT, "SOME OF THE GREATEST MOMENTS IN AMERICAN TRADITIONAL HISTORY HAVE BEEN WHEN JUDGES STOOD UP TO THE OTHER BRANCHES. EVERYONE KNOWS THAT YOU'VE SERVED IN THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION AND YET WHEN YOU BECAME A JUDGE IONLY TWO YEARS YOU RULED AGAINST THE BUSH MINISTRATION A TOTAL OF EIGHT TIMES. TR YOU IT SIMPLE DOES NOT MATTER W PARTIES ARE. WHAT WE HEARD TODAY FROM THE 21 SENATORS HO SERVE E SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE. JOINING ME NOW TO CONSIDER THIS DRAMATIC DAY ONE IN E HEARING ROOM ARE THREE PEOPLE WHO HAVE FOLLOWED THE SUPREME COURT AND APPELLATE JUDGES LIKE BRETT VANAUGH FOR YEARS. NEWSHOUR REGULAR MARCIA COYLE FOR THE "NATIONAL LAW JOURNAL." UL CLEMENT WAS TH
>> Woodruff: ALSO HERE TO CONSIDER THIS DRAMATIC DAY ONE IN THE HEARING ROOM, ARE THREE PEOPLE WHO HAVE FOPROWED THE E COURT AND APPELLATE JUDGES LIKE KAVANAUGH FOR YEARS: "NEWSHOUR" REGULAR MARCIA COYLE COVERS THE HIGH COURT FOR THE "NATIONAL LAW JOURNAL." PAUL CLEMENT WAS THE U.S. AND NEAL KATYAL. HE SERVED AS THE ACTING SOLICITOR GENERAL UNDER PRESIDENT OBAMA. HE JOINS US FROM NEW YORK. ALL THREE OF YOU, WE SAY WELCOME. AND AS WE'VE BEEN SAYING, MARCIA, BECASE YOU JOINED U FOR OUR LIVE COVERAGE DURING THE DAY, THE DAY GOT OFF WTO ALD START. IT DID EVENTUALLY SETTLE DOWN, BUT WHAT DID THAT WILD START TELL US ABOUT THE ATMOSPHERE AS BRETT KAVANAUGH BEGINS THIS CONFIRMATION PROCESS?
>> LL, IT'S A VERY HIGHLY CHARGED, PARTISAN DIVIDE RIGHT NOW.TS AND THE DEMOCHAVE SEIZED ON DOCUMENTS TH THEY FEEL WOULD BE RELEVANT FROM THE JUDGE'S TIME WHEN HE SERVED AS STAFF SECRETARY TO PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT. THEY WANT TO SEE THEM. THEY'RE, APPARENTLY, NOT GOING TO GET THEM, IN TIME AT LEAST FOR THESE HEARINGs, ALL. SO THAT'S WHAT WE HEARD FOR A GOOD PART DAY'S HEARINGS, AS DEMOCRATS CONTINUED TO PUSH THE NEED FOR DOCUMENTS, EVEN TO THE POINT OF SUGGESTING TO JUDGE KAVANAUGH THAT MOVE TO DELAY THE HEARINGS UNTIL THOSE DOCUMENTS WEREdrRODUCED.
>> Wuff: PAUL CLEMENT, HAW JUSTIFY READ THE DEMOCRATS I ASKING FOR WHAT THEY SAY IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE PROVIDED UNRR OTHER, L, ORDINARY CIRc*msTANCES?
>> WELL, I THINK THERE'S A HEALTHY DEBATE ABOUT WHICH DOCUMENTS ARE REALLY NECESSARY AND RELEVANT TO EVALUATE A SUPREME COURT NOMINATION. THERE ARE CERTAINLY NO PRECEDENT THAT SAYS THAT EVERY DOCUMENT THAT A NOMINEE GWHOT AE NEAR DURING THEIR CAREER THAT THE COMMITTEE WOULD HAVE. THERE ARDOCUMENTS THAT JUSTICE , GAN, WHEN SHE WAS A STAFF TORE SENATOR BIDEOSE WEREN'T WIDELY DISTRIBUTED. SO THERE'S ROOM TO DEBATE ABOUT THE PRECEDENTS OF WHERE DOCUMENTS SHOULD BE GIVEN AND WHERE THEY SHOULDNN. BE GIVE BUT I DON'T REALLY THINK, IN SOME RESPECTS, THAT THE DOCUMENTS ARE GOING TO MAK BIG DIFFERENCE ON THIS. AND I THINK IN SOME RESPECTS, THE DOCUMENT FIGHT IS REALLY A BROADER FIGHT AND A BROADER FRUSTRATION ABOUT KIND OF WHERE THE VOTE ARE,ND HOW THIS NOMINATION IS LIKELY TO SORT OUT IN T END.
>> Woodruff: NEAL KATYAL, WHAT ABOUT YOU? NI YOU SEE THIS DOCUMENT FIGHT AS SCANT, THAT IT'S GOING TO MATTER IN THE LONG RUN?
>> I DO. AND I LOVDE MY FRIENAUL, BUT I COULDN'T DISAGREE MORE WITH WHAT HE JUST SAID. I MEAN, NOBOD FIS CALLIOR EVERY DOCUMENT TO BE RELEASED. WITH RESPECT TO JUSTICE KAGAN, YOU KNOW, I HAD A FIRSTHAND SEAT TO THAT. I WAS HEDEPUTY WHEN SHE WAS NOMINATED, AND HER DOCUMENTS WERE TURNED OR, EXCEPT FOR A VERY SMALL NUMBER. NONE OF THEM GOT EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE WHICH IS WHAT IS BEING ASSERTEDHERE, AND NOT JUST FOR A COUPLE OF DOCUMENTS, 42,000 PAGES DUMPED LAST NIGHT. IT WAS NO LESS TN SENATO GRASSLEY AND SENATOR CORNYN WHO DURING THE KAGAN NOMIN, ATION SAE NEED TO SEE THE DOCUMENTS BEFORE THE HEARING." THEY HEARING DATE.UT THE AISE UNDERSTAND, THE HEARING DATE WAS PUSHED BACK IN TIME FOR THE KAGAN DOCUMENTS TO COME OUT. AND, YOU KNOW, THE WORST PART ABOUT THIS IS THAT IT REALLY HURTS JUDGE KAVANAUGH AND IT HURTS THE COURT. WE SHOULD HAVE AN OPEN DEBATE ABOUT THIS WITH THE DOCUMENTS READ AND SO THANE AMEREOPLE CAN SEE THEM.
>> Woodruff: I JUST WANT TO QUICKLY TURN BACK TO LIDE ARDINS WHO IS STILL WITH US. CRSA, DO WE KNOW WHETHER THE DES PLAN TO PURSUE THIS AGAIN TOMORROW?
>> WE DON'T KNOW. I ASKED SEVERAL DEMOCRATS, INCLUDING SENATOR BLUMENTHAL, WHO IS SORT OF ONE OF THE LEADERS HERE OF KIND OF THE OPPOSITION, WHETHER THEY PLAN TO, AGAI ASK FOR A AN ADJOURNMENT, A DELAY, AND THEY'RE NOT PRTING THEIR ON THE TABLE YET. I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF THE ARARING STARTS OUT IN A SIMIL WAY. IT MAY NOT LAST AS LONG BECAUSE RINOW EVERYONE IS CHANGING THEIR MIEWNDSET GETTING READY FOR VERY SERIOUS ONE-TO-ONE MENTAL COMBAT WITH MR. KAVANAUGH, IF YOU'RE A DEMOCRAT. ONSY'RE GETTING THEIR QUESTI READY. THEY'RE TRYING TO ANTICIPATE HIS RESPONSE. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE FOCUSING ON TONIGHT.
>> Woodruff: SO, MASH ABACK TO YOU, AS WE CONSIDER WHAT EACH SENATOR HAD TO SAY, I THINK FOR THPUBLICANS IT WAS UNIFORMLY-- WERE PRAISING BRETT KAVANAUGH, PRAISING HIS RECORD, ASKING HOW ANYBODY COULD NOT CONSIDER THIS MAN QUALIFIED. FOR DEMOCTS, IT WAS PRETTY MUCH A LIST OF THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT HIM.
>> YES, THAT'S RIGHT THE REPUBLICANS, THEIR ROLE IN A HEARING LIKE THIS, WHERE THE NOMINEES FROM THEIR OWN PARTY, THEY PLAY BASICALLY DEFENSE. WHATEVER THE DEMOCRATS WILL PUT FORWARD, TLL BE TRYING TO PUSH BACK AGAINST. TODAY, SINCE IT'S EARLY, THEY WERE LAYING GROUNDWORK FOR ALL ,F HIS QUALIFICATIONS, TRYING ALSO, AS WEO SHOW HIM MORE AS A HUMAN BEING AND THE KIND OF SRSON HE IS. ON THE DEMOCRATIE, THERE'S ALMOST A LAUNDRY LIST OF ISSUES THAT THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT BECAUSE THEY SEE TTHIS SEAT T HE WILL FILL AS-- IT HAS BE SO PIVOTAL IN SO MANY CASES. IT WAS JUSTIEDCE KES SEAT, AND SO WE HEARD ABOUT ABORTION, E SECOND AMENDMENT, THE ENVIRONMENT, NET NEUTRALITY, AND ON AND ON. AND WE WILL HEAR ME OF THAT TOMORROW.
>> Woodruff: AND BEFORE GI, ONCE AGAIN, TO PAUL CLEMENT AND NEAL KATYAL, LET'S L JUST A PART OF WHAT BRETT KAVANAUGH FINALLY DID HAVE TO SAY WHEN ITWAS HIS TIME O SPEAK TO INTRODUCE HIMSELF TO THE COMMITTEE.
>> MY JUDICIAL PHILOSOPHY IS STRAIGHTFORWARD-- A JUDGE MUST BE INDEPENDENT AND MUST INTERPRET THE LAW, NOT MAKE THE LAW. A JUDGE MUST INTERPRET STATUTES AS WRITTEN. A JUDGE MUST INTERPRET THE CONSTITUTION AS WRITTEN, ANFORMED BY HISTORY AND TRADITIOPRECEDENT. IN DECIDING CASES, A JUDGE MUST ALWAYS KEEP IN MIND WHATAL ANDER HAMILTON SAID IN FEDERALIST 83: THRULES OF LEGAL INTERPRETATION ARE RULES OF COMMON SENSEDE. OUR ENDENT JUDICIARY IS THE CROWN JEWEL OF OUR CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC. IN OUR INDEPENDENT JUDICIARY, THE SUPREME COURT IS THE LAST LINE OF DEFENSE FOR THE SEPARATION OF POWERAND FOR THE TGHTS AND LIBERTIES GUARANTEED CONSTITUTION. THE SUPREME COURT MUST NEVER, NEVER BE VIEWEAS A PARTISAN INSTITUTION. THMEJUSTICES ON THE SUP COURT DO NOT SIT ON OPPOSITE SIDES OF AN AISLE. THEY DO NOT CAUCUS IN SEPARATE ROOMS. MY LAW CLERKS COME FROM DIVERSE BACKGROUNDS AND POINTS VIEW. AW CLERKSY OF MY 48 L HAVE BEEN WOMEN. MORE THAN A QUARTER OF MY LAW CLERKS HAVE BEEN MINORITIES. I SEE THE DAY THAT IS COMING, NOT THE DAY THAT IS GONE. I AM OPTIMISTIC ABOUT THE FUTURE OF AMERICA. I AM OPTIMISTIC ABOUT THE FUTURE OF OUR INDEPENDENT JUDICIARY. I REVERE THE CONSTITUTION. IF CONFIRMED TO THE SUPREME COURT, I WILL KEEP OPEN MIND IN EVERY CASE. I AM DO EQUAL RIGHT TO THE POOR AND TO THE RICH I WILL ALWAYS STRIVE TO PRESERVE THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE AMERICAN RULE OF LAW.
>> Woodruff: SO, PAUL CLEMENNT, LISTG TO WHAT BRETT KAVANAUGH HAD TO SAY-- AND WE JUST HEARD-- WE WERE JUST PLAYING JUST A PART OF IT THERE-- DOES THAT GIVE US A GOOD SENSE OF WHO HE ISD THE KIND OF ARGUMENTS-- OR RATHER, OPINIONS THAT HE'S WRITTEN AS A JUDGE?
>> WELL, I THINK IT GIVES YOU SOME INSIGHT INTO IT. I MEAN, THERE ARE SOME THINS THAT JUDGE KAVANAUGH SAID THAT JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR WOULD HAVE SAID AT HER HEARING, AND JUSTICE KAGAN WOULD HAV AT HER ARING. THERTHE TWO THINGS THAT STRUCK E ABOUT IT THAT MAYBE YOU WOULDN'T HEAR FROM JUST ANY NOMINEE, I DON'T THINK IT'S AN ACCIDENT THAT JUDGE KAVANAUGH MENTIONED THE SEPARATION OF POWERS, BECAUSE PARTICULARLY ON THE D.C CIRCUIERE A LOT OF CASES INVOLVING EXECUTIVE POWER AND THE BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT AR AT ISSUE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HE'S BEEN VERY FOCUSED ON. RVAT'S A SUBJECT HE'S TAUGHT AT D LAW SCHOOL. SO I THINK THAT'S ONE THING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. AND THEN HE DID MENTION THE NUMBEROF HIS LAW CLERKS WHO WERE FEMALE OR WHO WERE RACIA MINORITIES. AND THAT REALLY IS A STRIKING FACT ABOUT JUDGE KAVANAUG I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YOU CAN REALLY LEARN FROM A JUDGE'S HIRING OF LAW CLERKS, BUT IT REALLY IS STRIKING THAT HE HAD SO MANY FEMALE LAW CLERKS. I THINK HE WAS THE FIRST JUDGE IN THE HISTORY OF THE D.C. CIRCUIT TO HAVE FOUR FEMALE LAW CLERKS, BASICALLY HAVE A WHOLE CHAMBER FULL OF FEMALE LAW CLERKS. uff: NEAL KATYAL WHAT, DID YOU TAKE AWAY FROM BRETT KAVANAUGH'S STATEMENT?
>> WELL, THIS IS THE ST CONSEQUENTIAL SUPREME COURT NOMINATION IN OUR LIFETIMES. AND I GUESS I AGREE LARGELY WITH WHAT WAS SAID WHICH IS HE DIDN'T ACTUALLY LEARN VERY MUCH ABOUT JUDGE KAVANAUGH TODAY. WERYIDN'T LEARN UCH ABOUT THE NOMINEE AT ALL. WE LEARNED VERY MUCH ABOUT THEAY NOMINATOR, AND THAT WAS THE DEMOCRATS' IS THAT GEE, ALCAUSE THIS IS AN UNUSU NOMINATION, JUST NOT BECAUSE OF THE PENCHANT FOR SECRECY AND HIDING OF DOCUMEN THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, BUT ALSO THE FACT THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN FINGERED BY HISPE OWONAL LAWYER AS UNDER CRIMINAL OVESTIGATION. YOU ARE THESE KI THINGS THAT THE DEMOCRATS KEPT ON RETURNING TO AS THEMES AND T ANOMALY OF A PRESIDENT NOMINATING SOMEONE TO OUR HIGHEST COURT WHEN TT PERSON MAY VERY WELL SIT IN JUDGMENT OF HIM. SO YOU HAVE THESE ODDITIES. BUT, REALLY, I DON'T THINK WE LEARNED TOO MUCH ABOUT THE JUDG I FEEL BAD F JUDGE KAVANAUGH. HE IS A LOVELY MAN. HE'S BEEN ONE OF THE MOST HARDWORKING JUDGES ON D.C. CIRCUIT. BUT HE HAS, IN SHOULD SENSE, THE MISFORTUNE OF BEING NOMINATED BY THIS PARTICULAR PRESIDENT AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME.
>> Woodruff: MASH AHOW MUCHE DOESFACT THAT HE WAS NOMINATED BY DONALD TRUMP, BEING VERSIAL POSITION THAT HE'S IN AT THIS MOMENT IN AMERICAN HISTOREN HOW DIFF IS THAT, I WANT TO ASK, THAN THE TYPICAL SUPREME COURT NOMINATION?
>> WELL, IT'S VERY DIFFERENT BECAUSE OF ALL THAT IS TIRROUNDING THE TRUMP ADMINIST RIGHT NOW. DONALD TRUMP WAS NOT THE INVISIBLE ELEPHANT IN TE ROOM. I MEAN, HE WAS THE VISIBLE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM DAY. HIS TWEETS ABOUT THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL CAME UP SEVERAL TIMES BY DEMOCRATIC SENATORS. I WILL SAYH THIS, TAT VERY SIMILAR TO JUDGE TGORS'S POSITION, WHEN A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE-- AND WE SAW IT FROM BOTH IN 2016-- PROMISES TO APPOINT SOMEONE TO THE SUPREME COURT WHO WILL OVERTURN CERTAIN VERY HIGH-PROFILE DEC ATKE "ROE" OR "CITIZENS UNITED," THEN WHOEVER PRESIDENT NOMINATES IS GOING TO TAKE INTO UESTIOEARING ROOM THE Q OF HOW INDEPENDENT THAT NOMINEE IS GOING TO BE. AND THAT'S GOING TO BE PART OF THE QUESTIONING BEHIND THE QUESTIONING. THERE'S A LOT OF SUSPICION ON THE DEMOCRATIC SE ASO HOW
>>DEPENDENT JUDGE KAVANAUGH WILL BE. oodruff: SO, PAUL CLEMENT, IS THERE AN ADDITIONAL BURDEN ON THIS NOMINEE, ON BRETT KAVANAUGH, BECAUSE OF THE PERSON WHO APPOINTED HIM? A
>> I DON'T THINK THERE SHOULD BEND I THINK BECAUSE OF WHO JUDGE KAVANAUGH IS, IN PARTICULAR, I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, I DON'T KNOW THAT A STRATEGY OF TRYING APPLY DIFFERENT STAN THE PRESIDENT WHO NOMINATED HIM IS GOING TO WORK. AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE JUDGE KAVANAUGH IS SOMEBODY WHO WOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE SHORT LIST OF EVERY CANDIDATE IN THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARIES. HE'S AN INCREDIBLY WELL-RESPECTED JUDGE. I MEAN, IF YOU HAD A NOMIN WHO WAS AN OUTLYER AND COULD HAVE ONLY BEEN NOMINATED BY THIS PRESIDENT, THEN MAYBE IT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT SITUATION, BUT THIS IS EXACTLY THE CIEN OF MINDIDATE YOU WOULD EXPECT TO BE TE TO THE SUPREME COURT.
>> Woodruff: AND JUST VERY QUICKLY TO YOU, NEAL KATYAL, HOW DO YOU SEE THE THE PRESIDENT TRUMP AS HE LOOMS OVER THESE HEARINGS?
>> I THINK IT'S A HUGE DEAL. AND WE EVEN SAW SENATOR CRUZ TRYING TO MAKE LEMONADE UT OF LEMONS SAYING THIS IS SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN RATIFY EFFECTIVELY BECAUSE IN 2016, TRUMP T OUT A LIST OF CANDIDATES OF PEOPLE HE WOULD NOMINATE IF H WON THE PRESIDENCY. THEREFORE, JUDGE KAVANAUGH IS RATIFIED IBY THE AMERCAN PEOPLE. THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH THAT CLAIM IS JUDGE KAVANAUGH WAS PT ON LEE LIST IN 2017 AFTER THE WHO CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION BY MUELLER AND STUFF. I AGREE WITH PAUL, THIS IS A VERY QUALIFIED PERSON, DESERVES TO BE ON EVERY SHORT LIST-- AS DOES, BY TT- WAY, PAUL CLEMEN BUT THE TIMING AND THE CIRc*msTANCE OF THIS NOMINATION ARE A BIT ODD.
>> Woodr: NEAL KATYAL, PAUL CLEMENT-- WHO JUST RECEIVED A VERY NICE COMPLIMENT FROM YOUR FRIEND-- AND MARCIA COYLE, THANK YOU ALL THREE. AND DAY, THANK YOU SMUCH FO COVERING IT FOR US FROM THE CAPITOL. IN THE DAY'S OER NEWS, FORMER PUBLICAN SENATOR JON KYL WILL FILL JOHN McCAIN'S U.S. SENATE SEAT IN ARIZONA FOR NOW. KYL IS A REPUBLICAN WHO RETIRED IN 2012, AFTER TEE TERMS. HE'S CURRENTLY GUIDING THE KAVANAUGH NOMINATION FOR THE SUPREME COURT. REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR DOUG DUCEY MADE THE APPOINTMENT TODAY, AND LAUDED KYL'S EERIENCE.
>> I WANTED TO PICK POSSIBLE PERSON REGARDLESS OF POLITICS. THERE IS BIG WORK TO BE DO IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE. NO ONE IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA HAS THE STATURE OF JON KYL. I ASKED AND I'M GRATEFUL THAT HE ACCEPTED.
>> Woodruff: McCAIN'S TERM RUNS UNTIL 2022, BUT KYL SAYS HE E LL SELY THROUGH JANUARY. ARIZONA'S GOVERNOR WOULD THEN HAVE TO NAME A NEW, INTERIM SENATOR UNTIL A SPECIAL ELECTION IN 2020. LOUISIANA, MISSISSIPPI AND ALABAMA ARE UNDER STATES OF EMERGENCY TONIGHT, AS THE STORM DUBBED "GORDON" COMES ASHORE. IT DROVE ACROSS THE GULF OF MEXI TODAY, GROWING TOWARD HURRICANE STRENGTH. COASTAL RESIDENTS IN LOUISIANA READIED SANDBAGS, WHILE MISSISSIPPI'S GOVERNOR WARNED THAT EVEN A MINIMAL HURRICANE CAN BE DANGEROUS.
>> WE WANT PEOPLE TO TAKE THIS VERY SERIOUSLYIT NOT TIME TO BE PLAYING IN THE SURF. TI'S NOT BE WINDBOARDING. IT I TO TAKE THIS AS A SERIOUS STORM AND BE PREPARED TO REACT TO I DA Woodruff: AS A PRECAUTION, THE COAST GUARD CLOSED THE PORTS OF GULFPORT AND PASCAGOULA IN MISSISSIPPI, AND MOBI, ALABAMA, UNTIL THE STORM PASSES. A TYPHOON RIPPED THROUGH THE WESTERN COAST OF JAPAN TODAY, THE STRONGEST TO MAKE LANDFALL ERE IN 25 YEARS. MORE THAN 700 FLIGHTS WERE CANCELED AFTER THE OSAKA REGION'S MAIN AIRPORT FLOODED. AND, STRONG WINDS BLEW A TANKER SHIP INTO A BRIDGE TO THE AIRPORT. THE STORM KILLED AT LEAST TWO PEOPLE, CLOSED SCHOOLS AND KNOCKED OUT POWER TO MORE THAN 1.6 MILLION HOUSEHOLDS. THE UNITED STATES IS SOUNDING NEW ALARMS ABOUT SYRIA. THAT COMES AS A GOVERNMENT OFFENSIVE AGAINST IDLIB PROVINCE APPEARS IMMINENT. IT'S THE LONE REMAINING REBEL USRONGHOLD. THE WHITE SAID TODAY A SYRIAN ATTACK, BACKED BY RUSSIA, WOULD BE A "RECKLESS ESCALATION", AND U.N. AMBASSADOR NIKKI HALEY WARNED CHEMICAL WEAPONS COULD BE USED.
>> WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS THE PRESIDENT SAYING TO IRAN, RUSSIA AND ASSAD, D'T GO THERE, WE'RE OUT GOING TO ACCEPT IT, IT'S NOT OKAY, WHATE SEEING FROM US AND THE FACT THAT THE SECURITY COUNCIL WANTS TO TALK ABOUT IT IS, DO NOT LET A CHEMICAL HEWEAPONS ATTACK HAPPEN ON drOPLE OF IDLIB.
>> Wf: MOSCOW DISMISSED RRS. WARNINGS, AND RUSSIAN WARPLANES D OUT AIR STRIKES ON IDLIB PROVINCE FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THREE WEEKS. THE FOUNDER OF AFGHANISTAN'S OUTLAWE HAQQANI NETWORK HAS DIED. THE TALIBAN ANNOUNCED TODAY THAT JALALUDDIN HAQQANI PASSED AWAY MONDAY AT AGE 71. HE WAS ONCE A U.S. ALLY AGAINST SOVIET FORCES IN AFGHANISTAN, THT HE LATER JOINED THE TALIBAN. U.S. BRANDED HIS GROUP A TERROR ORGANIZATION IN 2012. BACK IN THIS COUNTRY, CHICAGO MAYOR RAHM EMANUEL AED TODAY HE'S NOT RUNNING FOR A THIRD TERM NEXT YEAR. HE DID NOT ADDRESS RISING CRITICISM OVER GUN VIOLENCE, POLICE CONDUCT AND RELATIONS. INSTEAD, THE TWO-TERM DEMOCRATIC MAYOR ID: "THIS HAS BEEN THE JOB OF A LIFETIME, BUT IT IS NOT A JOB FOR A LIFETIME." T THROUGH THICK AND THIN WE TRY TO DO RI OUR CITY'S FUTURE. O MATTER HOW DIFFICULT THE PATH WE NEVER WAVERSHRUNK FROM OUR RESPONSIBILITIES. I WILL NEVER FORGET THE HONOR IT HAS BEEN TO SERVE ALONGSIDE YOU, OF CHICAGO.
>> Woodruff: EMANUEL HAD SERVED AS WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA, AND BEFORE THAT, THREE TERMS IN THE U.S. HOUSE REPRESENTATIVES. THE U.S. ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY MISSPENT MORE THAN $3.5 MILLION ON SECURITY FOR FORMER CHIEF SCOTT PRUITT. E.P.A.'S INSPECTOR GENERAL E PORTED THAT FINDING TODAY. THE OFFICE SAID STS INCLUDED TRAVEL FOR PRUITT'S 19 BODYGUARDS. HIS PREDECESSOR HAD SIX. LSUITT LEFT IN JULY AMID SCANVER HIS SPENDING AND OTHER ALLEGED ABUSES. AND, ON WALL STREET, AMAZON BRIEFLY JOINEDPPLE AS THE ONLY COMPANIES VALUED AT $1 TRILLION, THEN, RETREATED BELOW THAT MARK LATER RA THE DAY. OLL, THE DOW JONES INDUSTRIAL AVERAGE LOST 12 POINTS TO CLOSE AT 25,952. THE NASDAQ FELL 18 POINTS, AND THE S&P 500 SLIPPED FOUR. STILL TO COME ON THE NEWSHOUR: THE ANCIENT CASUALTIES OF A ASEUM FIRE IN BRAZIL. NIKE TAK RISK BY FEATURING COLIN KAEPERNICK IN ITS LATESTPA AD CAMIGN. BILLIE JEAN KING'S LEGACY ON AND OFF THE COURT, PLUS MUCH MORE.
>> Woodruff: THERE'S A NEW BOOK E ABOUT THE TRUMP WHITE HOAT USES THE TERM "NERVOUS BREAKDOWN" TO DESCRIBE WHAT'S HAPPENED INSIDE E EXECUTIVE BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT. IT'S JUST ONE OF MANY ELEMENTS THAT ADD UP TO A CRITICAL PICTURE, IN THE BOOK B JOURNALIST BOB WOODWARD, TITLED AREAR." THE WINNING "WASHINGTON ERST" EDITOR CHRONICLES HOW A CABINET MEEMOVED DOCUMENTS FROM THE PRESIDENT'S DESK SO HE WOULDN'T SIGN THEM AND QUOTES THE CHIEF OF STAFF SAYING, "HE'S GONE OFF THE RAILS. WE'RE IN CRAZY TOWN." ROBERT COSTA OF THE "WASHINGTON POK"" AND PBS' "WASHINGTON W HAS READ THE YET-TO-BE-RELEASED BOOK AND JOINS ME NOW. SO, ROBERT, MOST OF US HAVE NOT SEEN THE BOOK YET, BUT YOU HAVE. WHAT WOULD YOU SAY ARE T MOST IMPORTANT PARTS OF THE STORY?
>> JUDY, IT HAS SO MANY ANECDOTES STREWN THROGH THE BOOK, BUT SO MANY AROUND PRESIDENT TRUMP, LIKE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE JIM MATTIS, CONTIE TO TRY TO REIN THE PRESIDENT IN. YOU SEE IT ON TRADE POLICY, GARY COHN TAKING DOCUMENTS OFF THE PRESIDENT'S DESK IN THE OVAL OFFICE, ACCORDING TO WOODWARD'S ACCOUNT, MATTIS AT TIMES IGNORING ORDERS.f:
>> WoodrS YOU KNOW, AS WE KNOW, THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL BOOKS IN THE LAST SSERAL MON TO COME OUT ABOUT THE TRUMP WHITE HOUSE, THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. WHAT'S DIFFERENT ABOUT BOB WOODWARD'S REPORTING?
>> THE WHITE HOUSE'S RESPONSE TODAY HAS BEEN TYPICAL ABOUT HOW THEY'VE APPROACHED BOOKS LIKE IS. THEY SAY IT'S FABRICATIONS. THEY'VE CONTESTED ASPECTS OF THE BOOK ALREADY, BUT WHAT MAKES THIS BOOK DIFFERENT IS WOODWARD'S CREDIBILITY. WHEN YOU READ THE BOOK, AS A REPORTER, YOU RECOGNIZE SO NY DETAILS ARE IN THE BOOK-- TIME, WHO'S IN THE ROOM, DIFFERENTFI THAND ACCOUNTS. THERE'S A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF SPECIFICITY IN A LOT OF THCHESE GES AND SCENES THAT YOU DON'T SEE IN OTHER BOOKS.
>> Woodruff: BOB, AS YOU SAID, YOU ARE A REPORTER, YOU'VE BEEN COVERING THIS WHITE HOUSE. GIVE US A SEFNTS ACCESS BOBTH WOODWARD HADT MOST OF THE DAY-TO-DAY REPORTERS MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN HAVING.
>> WOODWARD SPENT OVER A YEAR IERKING ON THIS PROJECT VERY Y. IF YOU TALK TO WHITE HOUSE OFFICIALS, SOME OF THEM MET WITH HIM AT HIS HOME. OTHERS MET WITH HIM AT THEIR HOME. HEDID THIS BEHIND SCENES DOING WORK ON DEEP BACKGROUNDS. HE TRIE TPELLANT A PICTURE OF DIFFERENT SCENES BY TALKING TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE. SO THE WHOLE BOOK IS BASED THOSE DEEP BACKGROUNDS AND REFLECTIONS.
>> Woodruff: BOB WOODWARD RELEASED, I THINK, THE TRANSCRIPT OF A PHONE CALL, PHONE CONVERSATION HE HAD WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP. TELL BUS THAT.
>> PRESIDENT TRUMP CALLED WOODWARD TO TALK ABOUT THE BOOK AFTER THE BOOK WAS FINISHED. THIS WAS JUST WEEKS AGO. IS AND ON THE "WASHINGTON POST" WEBSITE, YOU CAN LISTEYOTO IT, ANU HEAR PRESIDENT TRUMP SAY HE TRIED TO DO A N INTERVITH WOODWARD, BUT WOODWARD REITERATES HE PAED AN EFFORT TO SIT WN WITH THE PRESIDENT BUT IT NEVER HAPPENED. T ESIDENT TRUMP DID NOT SPEAK WITH WOODWARD ABE BOOK BUT HE DID CALL WOODWARD TO TALK ABOUT THE BOOK. AND HE DID SAY IN THE INTERVIEW, THE CONVERSATION WITH WOODWARD, THAT WOODWARD HAD ALWAYS BEEN FAIR TOIM.
>> Woodruff: AND, FINALLY, BOB, DOES THIS CHANGE THE RELATIONSHIP, DO YOU THINK, BETWEEN THE PRESIDENT AND SOME TOTHE PEOPLE WHO ARE CLOSE HIM, WHO ARE EITHER QUOTED OR APPEAR TO BEC HAVE BEEN SOURES IN THIS BOOK?
>> WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE ON AA WAIT-ND-SEE BASIS WITH THAT QUESTION, JUDY, BECAUSE SECRETARY MATTSO SAID VERY NEGATIVE THINGS BASED ON WOODWARD'S REPORTING ITHE BOOK, REFERRING TO THE PRESIDENT AS SOMEONE WHO HAS THE EDUCAL TN LE A FIFTH OR SIXTH GRADER, HOW THE U.S. IS TRYING TO PREVENT WORLD WAR III FROM UNFOLDING. F OF STAFF JOHN KELLY HA ALREADY DENIED CALLING THE PRESIDENT AN IDIOT, WHICH IS ANOTHER DETAILN WOODWARD'S BOOK.
>> Woodruff: SOME REMARKABLE REPORTING TSOUNDS LIKE. WE'LL ALL E LOOKING FOR IT. ROBERT COSTA OF THE "WASHINGTON POST," THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU.
>> Woodruff: THE RAGING FIRE SUNDAY NIGHT THAT CONSUMED THE NATIONAL MUSEUM IN RIO, HOME TO 20 MILLION ARTIFACTS, HAS LED TO ND, NATIONAL MOURNING IN BRAZIL. AS NICK SCHIFRIN REPORTS THE LOSS OF LATIN AMERICA'S LARGEST COLLECTION OF PRICELESS TREASURES, ALSO SPARKED ANGER AND RECRIMINATIONS. IC Schifrin: ALL THAT'S LEFT OF LATIN AMERS LARGEST NATURAL HISTORY MUSEUM IS SMOLDERING DEBRIS. THE BURNED-OUT SHELL OF RIO DE DSNIERO'S NATIONAL MUSEUM ONCE HELD THOUSF YEARS OF THE REGION'S AND COUNTRY'S HERITAGE. TODAY, THE LOSSES ARE IRREPLACABLE AND INCALCUABLE, AND A COUNTRY IS IN SHOCK. A STUDENT SAT IN THE BURNED MUSEUM'S SHADOW, HAVING LOST HIS ENTIRE MASTER'S DEGREE WORK. THE HISTORIAN REGINA DANTAS LOOKED INTO A BUILDING WHERE SHE HAD WORKED FOR 30 YEARS. SE ( translated ): IS LIKE A NIGHTMARE. TO SLEEP THINKING IT WA A NIGHTMARE, THAT I WAS GOING TO WAKE UP--
>> Schifrin: SHE COULDN'T CONTINUE. SHE CALLED THEOLLECTION D NRECOVERABLE." THE BLAZE STNDAY NIGHT AND ENGULFED THE MUSEUM. 80 FIREFIGHTERS BATTLED FOR SIX HOURS. BUT NEARBY HYDRANTS DIDN'T WORK, AND THEY FAILED TO SAVE A M ILDING WHERE BRAZIL SIGNED ITS INDEPENDENCE FRTUGAL IN 1822, AND THAT WAS ONC TO BRAZIL'S ROYAL FAMILY. J
>> ( translated ):T SAW A PIECE OF MY HISTORY, THE HOUSE OF THE BRAZILIAN EMPIRE ON FIRE, BEING STROYED. I SEE THE HISTORY OF MY COUNTRY BECOMING ASHES. IT HAS NO PRICE. I'M DEVASTATED. WE Schifrin: INSIDE THESE WALLS MILLIONS OF ARTIFACTS, AS SEEN IN AN OLD MUSEUM HANDOUT VIDEO. LATIN AMERICA'S PRE-EMINENT COLLECTION OF EGYPTIAN MUMMIES, INCLUDING A MUY FROM 750 B.C., AND A STATUE FROM 1500 B.C. SKUNTLESS AMERICAN INDIGENOUS ARTIFACTS, FROM MAS TO A 12 THE DINOSAUR MAXAKALISAURUS, WHOSE EXCAVATION TOOK 10 YEARS. AND 12,000-YEAOLD LUZIA, THE OLDEST HUMAN REMAINS FOUND IN THE AMERICAS, WHOSE DISCOVERY CHALLENGED THE BASIC UNDERSTANDING OF HOW AND WHEN HUMANS MIGRATED. TODAY, MUSEUM WORKERS MANAGED TO CVE SOME ITEMS, PROVIDING HOPE MOLD BE SALVAGED. AND ONE OF THE WORLD'S LARGEST METEORITES, ON DISPLAY SINCE 1888, SURVIVED. BUT THE FIRE'S AFTERMATH MATCH THE NATIONAL MOOD. A SYMBOL NOT ONLY OF SORROW, BUT ALSOISSENT. THOUSANDS OF RESIDENTS STORMED THE MUSEUM GATE. LICE USED PEPPER SPRAY TO KEEP THEM BACK. THEY MARCHED THROUGH THE STREETS CED ACCUSED THE GOVERNMENT OF NEGLIGND LOSING COUNTLESS ROYAL ARTIFACTS, INCLUDING FROM LY OF JOAO DE ORLEAN AND BARADENCA.
>> ( translated ): IT COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED WITH A MINIMUM COST, ESPECIALLY COMPARED WITH THE MONEY THROWN OUT BY THE PAZILIAN ADMINISTRATION. ARE THERE GUILPLE? OF COURSE THERE ARE GUILTY PEOPLE, AND THEY MUST BE PUNISHED.
>> THIS IS SYMBOLIC OF LOTS OF PROBLEMS BRAZIL IS FACING RIGHT NOW.
>> Schifrin: PAULO SOTERO DIRECTS THE WILSON CENTER'S BRAZIL INSTITUTE, AND SAYS THE FIRE IS A METAPHOR FUBLIC SECTOR THAT'S FAILING TO DELIVER. RI PEOPLE ARE ANGRY FOR A Y OF REASONS IN BRAZIL, TACLUDING THE STATE OF THE ECONOMY, THE OF CORRUPTION, AND CRIME, ETC.
>> Schifrin: JUST A FEW YEARS AGO, THE COUNTRY WAS HOPEFUL AND CONSTRUCTION WAS BOOMING. RIO HOSTED THE OLYMPIC CREATED BIG NEW PLAZAS, FANCY NEW APARTMENT BUILDINGS WITH BEAUTIFUL VIEWS OF THE ATLANTIC OCEAN, ANDXPANDED PUBLIC TRANSIT, WITH NEW BUSES AND TRAMS. BUT TODAY IN RIO, OLENCE HAS INCREASED SO MUCH, THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT DISPATCHED THE MILITARY TO SECURE MASSIVE SLUMS, AND MASKED, HEAVILY ARMED POLICEMEN TO CONDUCT OPERATIONS. AND CORRUPTION CHARGES PLAGUE REE HIGHEST OFFICE. FORMERDENT LUIZ INACIO LULA DA SILVA IS IN PRISON, DILMA ROUSSEFF WAS IMPEACHED, CURRENT PRESIDENT MICHEL TEMER STANDS ACCUSED NOT ONLY OF CORRUPTION BUT ALSO FAILING TO FIX CORE ISSUES.
>> THE COUNTRY GOT ITSELF INTOTH AN ILLUSIO IT DID NOT NEED TO ADDRESS ITS FUNDAMENTAL, BASIC PROBLEMS OF ECONOMIC MANAGEMENT, OF FISCAL MANAGEMENT, TO CONFRONT THOSE ISSUES.
>> Schifrin: AND THE MUSEUM FAILED TO ADDRESS ITS OWN DEFICIENCIES. IACCORDING TO LOCAL REPOR HAD NO SPRINKLERS, FIRE DOORS, OR SMOKE DETECTORS. THE GOVERNMENT MUST DO MORE, SAID MUSEUM DIRECTOR ALEXANDER KELLNER.
>> ( translated S NECESSARY FOR ALL THE AUTHORITIES THAT HAVE THE RESOURCES, SPECIFICALLY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, HELP THE NATIONAL MUSEUM PUT ITS HISTORY BACK TOGETHER. WE'VE ALREADY LOST PART OF OUR COLLECTI L. BRAZIL CANE ITS HISTORY.
>> Schifrin: BUT TODAYZIHAT IS WHAT BFELT IT HAD LOST. A BRAZILIAN MOTHER POSTED PHOTOS OF HER SONTHRILLED AND IN AWE DURING HIS LAST VISIT TO THE MUSEUM. TODAY THAT MUSEUM IS.ARGELY GUTTED IT'S A REMINDER, AS THE BRITISH LIBRARY PUT IT TODAY, HOW OUR SHARED, GLOBAL HERITAGE IS PRECIOUS, AND FRAGILE. FOR THE PBS NEWSHOUR, I'M NICK SCHIFRIN.
>> Woodruff: THE SPORTSWEAR ISMPANY NIKE JUST LAUNCHED A NEW ADVEG CAMPAIGN FEATURING FORMER N.F.L. QUARTERBACK COLIN KAEPERNICK. AS WILLIAM BRANGHAM REPORTS, NIKE'S MOVE HAS TRIGGERED CALLS FOR A BOYCOTT, AND REIITED THE haBATE OVER SOCIAL PROTEST.
>> Bra NIKE'S NEW AD SHOWS JUST COLIN KAEPERNICK'S FACE. THE WORDS SAY: "BELIEVE IN SOMETHING. EVEN IF IT MEANS SACRIFICING EVERYTHING." KAEPERNICK OF COURSE, DOES NOT CURRENTLY HAVE A JOB IN THE N.F.L., AND ITS UNCLEAR IF HE EVER WILL AGAIN. KAEPERNICK CAME TO NATIONAL PROMINENCE BACK IN 2016 WHEN HE WAS A QUARTERBACK FOR THE SAN FRANCISCO 49ers. PROTESTING WHAT HE DESCRIBED AS RACIAL INJUSTICE IN AMERICA, KAEPERNICK KNEELED DOWN WHEN THE NATIONAL ANTHEM WAS PLAYED E FORE GAMES. HERE'S HOWPLAINED WHY HE WAS DOING IT.
>> THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON THAT UNJUST, THAT PEOPLE AREN'T BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE. ONE SPECIFICALLY IS POLI BRUTALITY. THERE'S PEOPLE BEING MURDERED STLY AND NOT BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE. COPS ARE GETTING PAID LEAVE FOR KILLING PEOPLE. THAT'S NOT RIGHT. THAT'S NOT RIGHT BY ANNE'S STANDARDS.
>> Brangham: SOME FELLOW N.F.L. PLAYERS FOLLOWED SUIT, ECHOING KAEPERNICK'S PROTEST. BUT KAEPERNICK WAS ALSO HEAVILY CRITICIZED, WITH MANARGUING HE WAS BEING UNPATRIOTIC, OR WAS SOMEHOW DENIGRATING AMERICA'S ARMED FORCES. LAST FALL, PRESIDENT TRUMP JOINED TT CHORUS, CASTING THESE PROTESTS AGAINST POLICE VIOLENCE AS AN ATTACK ON THE ERICAN FLAG.
>> WOULDN'T YOU LOVE TO SEE ONE OF THESE N.F.L. OWNERS, WHEN SOMEBODY DISRESPECTS OUR FLAG, TO SAY, GET THAT SON OF A ( BLEEP ) OFF THAT FIELD RIGHT NOW, OUT! HE'S FIRED! HE'S FIRED! I WATCHED COLIN KAEPERNICK, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS TERRIBLE, AND THEN IT GOT BIGGER AND BIGGER AND STARI'D MUSHROOMING. TELL YOU, YOU CANNOT DISRESPECT OUR FLAG, OUR COUNTRY, OUR ANTHEM. YOU CANNOT DO THAT.
>> Brangham: THE MINUTE NIKE'S AD WAS RELEASED YESTERDAY, SOME CRITICS TOOK TO SOCIAL MEDIA, BLASTING THE COMPANY AND PUBLICLY DESTROYING OR DEFACING THEIR OWN NIKE CLOTHING.
>> FIVE PAIRS OF SHOES, AND WE'RE ALL GOING TO LET T.HEM BU EC Brangham: FOR IT'S PART, NIKE STOOD BY ITSION. A VICE PRESIDENT FOR THE COMPANY SAID THIS TO ESPN: "WE BELIEVE COLIN IS ONE OF THE MOST INSPIRATIONAL ATHLETES OF THO GENERATION, S LEVERAGED THE POWER OF SPORT TO HELP MOVE THE WORLD FORWARD." PRESIDENT TRUMP REPORTEDLY SAID TODAY THAT NIKE WAS SENDING A "TERRIBLE MESSAGE" WITH THIS AD, BUT ALSO SAID NIKE'S ABILITY TO DO WHAT IT WANTS IS "WHAT THIS COUNTRY IS ALL ABOUT." FOR MORE ON ALL THIS, I'M JOINED NOW BY ONE OF THE COUNTRY'S GREAT SPORTS WRITERS, JOHN FEINSTEIN. HE'S A CONTRIBUTING COLUMNIST FOR THE "WASHINGTON POST," AND HAS WRITTEN DOZENS OS. HIS LATEST, SOON TO BE RELEASED, IS ABOUT THE NFL-- IT'S CALLED "QUARTERBACK." WELCOME BACK TO THE SHOW.
>> MPLEASURE, WILLIAM, THANKS.
>> Brangham: THE NIKE CAMPAIGN, AS WE JUST HEARD, SAYS SPECIFICALLY, "BELIEVE IN SOMETHING, EVEN IF IT MEANSIN SACRIF EVERYTHING." THE CLEAR IMPELICATION TH IS THAT KAEPERNICK LOST HIS CAREER IN THE N.F.L. BECAUSE HE SPOKE UP, NOT BECAUSE H WASN'T MAYBE THE GREATEST QUARTERBACK? IS THAT TRUE? IS THAT WHY HE LOST HIS JOB? A
>> 100% TRUE, WILLIAM. HE WAS A ING QUARTERBACK IN 2016 FOR THE SAN FRANCISCO 49ers AND ACTUALLY HAD A PRETTY GOOD YEAR-- 14 TOUCHDOWN PASSES AND THREE INTERCEPTIONS-- FOR A BAD TEAM-- BUT HE WAS A STARTER. AND THEN HE BECAME A FREE AGENTD THAT MARCHCOULDN'T GET A JOB, EVEN AS A BACKUP QUARTERBACK.A TEAMS WENT OUT SIGNED GUYS FROM ARENA LEAGUES INSTEAD OF E GNING HIM. AND THS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY, IN MY MIND, THAT THE N.F.L. WAS GOING TO ALLOW HIM TO CONTINUE TO PLAY AFTER HE HAD D THIS NATIONAL ANTHEM PROTEST. AND AS PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID, IT DID GROW, AND THAT'S WHAT HE SET OUT TO DO. HE WANTED TO CREATE A DIALOGUE, HIS WORDS, AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. AND THE N.F.L. WOULDN'T GIVE HEM A JOB, AND NOW THEY'RE FACING COLLUSION CASE IN FRONT OF AN ARBITRATOR BROUGHT BY COLIN KAEPERNICK.
>> Brangham: RIGHT THAT HE'S-- YOU CLEARLY BELIEVE THAT KAEPERNICK'S CASE IS LET, THAT THE OWNERS, MAYBE THEY DIDN'T GET ON THE PHONE COLLECTIVELY S NOT HIREHEY, LE THIS GUY." BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE A VERY HARD CASE TO PROVE.
>> IT ALWAYS IS, UNLESS THERE'S A SMOKING GUN, UNLESS THERE'S A TRANSCRIPT OF A CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE COMMISSIONER AND BACK IN THE 1980s, BASEBALL PLAYERS WERE ABLE TO PROVE COLLUSION AGAINST THE MAJOR LEAGM OWNERS IN T OF CONTRACTS BECAUSE THEY-- IT CAME OUT THAT THE COMMISSIONER BACK THEN'TAD SAID, "DIGN THEM TO THESE BIG CONTRACTS." BUT IT IS VERY HARD .TO PROVE I ALSO THINK, THOUGH, THAT THE ERIC REID CASE MAY HE KAEPERNICK, BECAUSE ERIC REID IS A 27-YEAR-OLD SAFETY WHO WAS ONE OF THE BEST IN THE LEAGUE, A TEAMMATE OF KAEPERNICK'S, JOINED KAEPERNICK'S PROTEST, BECAME A FREE ANT LAST-- THIS PAST MARCH-- AND DOESN'T HAVE A CONTRACT, EITHER. SO YOU DON'T HAVE T GET N THE 15 FOEN WITH PEOPLE TO COLLUDE NOT TO SIGN SOMEBODY.
>> rangham: SPEAKING OF THE NIKE CAMPAIGN, DO YOU THINK THAT THERE IS AWN POTENTIAL DE TO THEM? I MEAN WE'VE ALREADY SEEN THE TRICKLES OF A BOYCOTT, THREATENING PEOPLE TO BURN THEIR SHOES. DOWNSIDE?NK THERE'S A
>> I'M SURE THEY DID MARKET RESEARCHHEEFORE THEY MADE DECISION TO SIGN KAEPERNICK WITH A NEW CONTRACT. HE HAD BEEN WITH THEM SINCEAN 2011 TO LAUNCH THIS CAMPAIGN. AND, OF COURSE, THEY KNEW THERE WAS GOG TO BE BACKLASH LIKE THIS AT FIRST BECAUSE THIS IS A-- THIS IS A VERY BLACK-AND-WHITE ISSUE TO MOST PEOPLE-- YOU'RE EITHER ON ONE SIDE OR YOU'RE ON THE OTHERDE THERE ARE VERY FEW PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE MIDDLE. P WHAT YOU SAW DURING YOUR PIECE THERPLE BURNING NIKE GEAR, THE STOCK WENT DOWN TODAY ON WALL STREET. BUT I'M SURE THEY'RE CONVINCED WILL BEG TERM, THERE BOUNCE-BACK BECAUSE OF THIS CAMPAIGN FOR THEM. I'M REMINDED A LITTLE BIT IN ANF IRONIC WAY YEARS AGO WHEN MICHAEL JORDAN WAS-- CANOTHER NIENT-- WAS ASKED BY DEAN SMITH TO CAMPAIGN FOR HARVEY GANT IN THE SENATE RACE IN NORTH CAROLINA AGAINST JESSE HELMS, ONE OF THE LT SEGREGATIONISTS IN THE SENATE AND MICHAEL JORDAN TURNED HIM DOWN AND SAID TOANE SMITH, "REPUBLICANS BUY SHOES, TOO." I THINK NIEK SEBANKING ON NTHE FACT RIGOW THAT AFRICAN AMERICANS BY BUYSHOES,
>> Brangham: AND MAYBE IT'S POSSIBLE THAT NIKE WANTS TO COURT A BACKLASH. THEY'VE BEEN TAKING HEAT FROM COMPANIES LIKE UNDERARMOR. ZE THETHEY WANT TO POLA ENVIRONMENT AND DRIVE YOUNG, MAYBE LINL, MAYBE AFRICAN AMERICAN KIDS TO BUY THEIRRICY SHOES.
>> WELL, IT'S VERY INTERESTING BECAUSE WHO IS THEIR MOST PROMINENT SPOKESMAN RIGHT NOW? IT'S LEGRON BRON JAMES, WHO HAS BEEN VERYOW OUTSPOKN SOCIAL ISSUES, WHO HAS ENGAGED WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP IN A-A GI-TAKE THAT'S BEEN VERY HOSTILE.
>> Woodruff: GLIL AND SEEMINGLY SUFFER NOT SUFFERED BECAUSE OF IT.
>> MAYBE THERE ARE SOCCER PLAYERS MORE POPULAR WORLDWIDE THAN LeBRON JAMES. HE'S VERY DIFFERENT FROM MICHAEL JORDAN WHO NEVER THED TO TAKE A POLITICAL STANCE. SERENA WILLIAMS HAS ALSO SPOKEN OUT ON KAEPERNICK'S BEHALF JUST IN THEAST FEW DAYS. SO I THINK NIEK SEBELIEVING, OR HOPING AT LEAST, THAT THERE WILL BE PEOPLE WHO SAY, "HEY, YOU'RE ON COLIN KAEPERNICK'S SIDE. WE WANT YOUR PRODUCT." PLEBrangham: TO THAT EXAM LeBRON AND SERENA, IS THAT INMPLY A FUNCTION OF IF YOU ARE CLEARLY THE TO YOUR FIELD, YOU CAN RISK A POLITAL CONTROVERSY, BUT IF YOU'RE MAYBE ON THE BUBBLE, YOU CAN'T RISK IT?
>> OH, THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT. DY-- LET'S TOM BR JUST USE THAT AS AN EXAMPLE-- HEOSE TO NEAL FOR ARE THE NATIONAL A-
>> Brangham: HE'S I'VE HEARD A DECENT QUARTERBACK.
>> HE'S HAD A FEW GOOD YEARSHE, WON FIVE SUPER BOWLS-- I THINK HE'D STILL HAVE A JOB. OR TO USERE AN AFRICAN AN EXAMPLE, CAM NEWTON WSHT CAROLINA PANTHERS, F HE HAD BEEN THE ONE WHO DECIDED TO TAKE THIS ISSUE ON, HE WOULDN'T HAVE ENDED UP AS A FREE AGENT WITHOUT A JOB. BUT COLIN KAEPERNICK WAS A GOOD N.F.L. QUARTERBACK. HE TOOK THE 49er TO A SUP BOWL IN HIS SECOND YEAR IN THE LEAGUE, AND IT'S BEEN-- AND HAS BEEN A SID PLAYER. BUT A GREAT PLAYER, NO. IS HE GOING TO THE HALL OF FAME? NO. AND BECAUSE OF THAT, A LOT OF TEAMS TOOK THE APPROACH EITHER, "WE DON'T WANT THEM"-- REMEMBER MOST N.F.L. OWNERS ARE CONSERVAEVVE. AT LEASTN OF THEM GAVE MORE THAN $1 MILLION TO PRESIDENT TRUMP IN HIS CAMPAIGN. ORB" HE'S NOT WORTH THE TROUBLE THAT WILL COME. BECAUSE THERE CLEARLY HAS BEEN SOME BACKLASH AMONG F.L. FANS, ESPECIALLY SINCE THAT SPEECH THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP GAVE IN SEPTEMBER OF 2017. THE WEEK BEFORE HE GAVE T SPEECH, THERE WERE A TOTAL OF SIX N.F.L. PLAYERS WHO NETTL KNR THE NATIONUN ANTHEM. THATY, TWO DAYS LATER, THERE WERE MORE THAN 200, AND HEREE N.F.L. TEAMS STAYED IN T LOCKER ROOM ALTOGETHER, AND THE CONTROVERSY IS STILL ONGOING, BECAUSE THE OWNERS TRIED TO UNILATERALLY CHANGE THE RULES ON THE ANTHEM THIS PAST MAY SAYING, "IF YOU ARE ON THEIELD, YOU MUST STAND." AND THE PLAYERS ASSOCIATION-IF
>> Brangham:OT, HEAD TO THE LOW, ROOM.
>> OR STAY IN THE LOCKER ROOM. AND THE PLAYERS ASSOCIATION SAID, WAIT A MINUTE. THIS IS A PART OF THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT AND YOU HAVE TO BARGAIN US."
>> Brangham: JOHN FEINSTEIN, THE NEXT BOOK IS "QUARTERBACK." I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE IT.
>> Woodruff: AND SPEAKING OF ACTIVISM IN PROFESSIONAL SPORTS, WE FINISH TONIGHT WITHBEN ICON WHME WELL-KNOWN FOR HER VOICE AND ADVOCACY-- TENNIS GREAT BILLIE JEAN KING. JEFFREY BROWN SPENT SOME TIME WITH HER IN FLUSHING MEADOWS, NEW YORK FOR THE 50th ANNIVERSARY OF THE U.S. OPEN, WHICH CONTINUES THIS WEEK.
>> Brown: YOU REMEMBER THE FEELING OF BEING IN A BIG TOURNAMENT LIKE THIS?
>> OH, DO I! THAT'S LIKE WALKING-- I TOLD YOU, THAT LIGHT SWITCH GOES ON.
>> Brown: THE TOURNAMENT JUST COTSIDE WAS THE U.S. OPEN, THIS TRY'S BIGGEST STAGE FOR TENNIS. IT'S AN EVENT WHERE BILLIE JEAN KING WON 13 TITLES, INCLUDING FOUR SINGLES. AND IT'S HELD AT A PLACE THAT SINCE 2006 HAS BEEN NAMED FOR HER: U.S.T.A. BILLIE JEAN KING NATIONAL TENNIS CENTER IN FLUSHING MEADOWS, NEW YORK. IEAT DO YOU FEEL WHEN YOU WALK THROUGH THE BIEAN KING NATIONAL TENNIS CENTER, DOES THAT... OH, YEAH? DOES IT FEEL NATURAL, EVER?
>> NO, IT NEVER FEELS NATURAL. THE ONE WORD THAT I ALWAYS THINK ABOUT IS RESPONSIBILITY.
>> Brown: RESPONSIBILITY?
>> I JUST FEEL LIKE, I'M ONE OF THE LUCKY ONES, THAT I HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY. I HAVE THE RPONSIBILITY TO THE PLOPLE IN THE SPORT, THE P WHO TRY TO MAKE THIS WORLD A BTTER PLACE. wn: IT'S PRECISELY THAT FOCUS, IN ADDITION TO HER ONILITIES ON THE COURT, THAT MADE KING OF THE RENOWNED, INFLUENTIAL AND BELOVED ATHLETES OF OUR TIME. BETWEEN 1961 AND 1979 SHE WON 39 GRAND SLAM TITLES, AND WAS RANKED #1 IN THE WORLD IN WOMES TENNIS FOR SIX YEARS. OFF THE COURT, SHE CAMPAIGNED FOR PAY EQUITY AND OSSUES ON BEHALF OF WOMEN ATHLETES, AND LATER FOR GAY RIGHTS. SHE RECEIVED THE PRESIDENTIAL MEDAL OF FREEDOM FOR HER ADVOCACY WORK FROM BARACK OBAMA IN 2009. HER AWARENESS OF INJUSTICE, SHE SAYS, STARTED EARLY.
>> I HAD AN EPIPHANY WHEN I WAS 12, THAT I WAS SITTING AT THE LOS ANGELES TENNIS CLUB AND I STARTED THINKING ABOUT OUR UTTLE SPORT OF TENNIS AND MY TIVERSE, AND I THOUGHT EVERYBODY WHO PLAYS WEARS WHITE SHOES, WHITE SOCKS, WHITE CLOTHES. AND EVERYBODY WAS WHITE, SO I SAID, WHERE IS EVERYBODY ELSE?
>> Brown: MANY YEARS LATER, MUCH HAS CHANGED. TODAY'S LEADING AMERICAN TENNIS PLAYER, OF COURSE, IS SERENA WILLIAMS. BUT NOT EVERYTHING: RECENTLYOF FRENCH TENNICIALS HAD CRITICIZED WILLIAMS FOR AN OUTFIT SHE'D WORN AT THE FRENCH OPEN, A SO-CALLED 'CAT SUIT' WILLIAMS SAID HELPED HER BLOOD CIRCULATION AFTER A DIFFICULT CHILDBIRTH. BILLIE JEAN KING PUBLICLY DEFENDED WILLIAMS.
>> "JUST STOP. JUST MOVE ON. THERE'S MORE IMPORTANT THINGS IN THIS LIFE."
>>HErown: SERENA WILLIAMS ON COVER OF TIME MAGAZINE AND SHE'S TALKING ABOUT POSTPARTUM DEPRESSION, SHE'S TALKING ABOUT BREASTFEEDING. THESE ARE THINGS, DOES THAT TELL YOU THE WORLD HAS CHANGED A BIT?
>> YES, BECAUSE YOU CAN ACTUALLY SAY WHAT YOU'RE FEELING AND THINKING. AND THEN EVERYBODY ELSE GOES, A OMEN WHO'VE BEEN THROUGH SIMILAR SITUATIONS GO, "ME TOO, I'VE BEEN THROUGH THAT. I HEAR YOU. OU Brown: DO YOU THINK WOMEN HAVE ACHIEVED WHATANTED, WHAT YOU HAD HOPED FOR?
>> OH, NOT YET! WE'RE GETTING THERE. BUT ONE OF THE GREATEST THIN THAT HAPPENED TO US IN TENNIS IS THAT WE NOW, IN ALL THE FOUR MAJORS, HAVE EQUAL PRIZE MONEY, THE MEN AND WOMEN.
>> Brown: YOU MENTIONED THAT PHRASE, "ME TOO." THE #METOO REVELATIONS OF THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, ANY OF THAT SURPRISE YOU?
>> NO, BECAUSE WE HAVE TECHNOLOGY NOW AND YOU CAN SHARE YOUR STORY. BUT #METOO ISN'T ABOUT WOMEN, #METOO IS ABOUT ABUSE. O THAT MEANS MEN, WOMEN, OR ANY GENDER CAN SPEAKEIR SITUATION OF ABUSE #ME TOO IS FANTASTIC BECAUSE AGAIN ARE SHARING THEIR STORIES. THEY'RE POWERFUL, BUT THERE'S OTHER PEOP OUT THERE THAT HAVE EXPERIENCED THE SAME THINGS. THEY DON'T FEEL ALONE.
>> Brown: THESE E THINGS THAT OBVIOUSLY WERE WITH US WHEN YOU WERE STARTING OUT.
>> I KNOW AND I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT ALL THESE THINGS.
>> Brown: BUT PEOPLE DIDN'T FEEL ETKE THEY COULD SPEAK OUT?
>> NO, BECAUSE YOUHAMED- BASED WITH A LOT OF THINGS. AND WHEN YOU HAVE SHAME, YOU USUALLY KEEP IT VERY MUCH TO YOURSELF AND YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND IT USUALLY, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND IT, IT'S SHAME BASED, AND YOU JUST DON'T GO THERE.
>> Brown: ANOTHER ISSUE VERY YMUCH WITH US IS ACTIVISM ATHLETES. YOU TWEETED RECENTLY, YOU WEON DEFENDING LEAMES WHEN HE GOT INTO IT WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP AND YOU SAID "ATHLETE ACTISM CAN AFFECT POSITIVE CHANGE AND SHOULD BE CELEBRATED, NOT DERIDED."
>> ONE OF THE THINGS I UNDERSTOOD IS I'M A TENNYE PLA AND WHAT IS TENNIS? TENNIS IS ALL OVER THE WORLD. I HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY. AND ATHLETES SHOULD ALWAYS BE ACTIVE. IF THEY FEEL-- OUR JOB IS TO LEAD, OUR JOB IS TO NOT ONLY LEAD WITHIN OUR SPORT, BUT TO HELP OTHERS.
>> Brown: SPORTS TODAY IS SUCH A BIG COMMERCIAL VENTURE. DO YOU SEE ENOUGH ATHLETES SPEAKING OUT? EA NO, I WISH MORE ATHLETES WOULD OUT.
>> Brown: YOU DO?
>> THEY'RE TOLD NOT TO OFTEN, BY THEIR ASSOCIATIONS, BY THEIR SPONSORS, AND PARTICULARLY BY THEIR AGENTS, THEY TELL THEM OUDON'T SAY A WORD, JUST G AND PLAY, GET THE CHECK, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TRYING TO SELL YOUR PRODUCTS TO EVERYBODY. I'M THINKING, REALLY? IS THAT WHAT, THAT'S NOT BEING RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY. HERE WE HAVE A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY.
>> Brown: KING HERSELF LOST ENDORsem*nTS IN 1981SHE WAS OUTED AS GAY. I ASKED ABOUT THOSE EARLIER DAYS.
>> EVEN IF YOU THOUGH YOU MIGHT BE GAY, YOU DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IT. K EN AMONG EACH OTHER. I DON'T THOPLE REALIZED-- YOU JUST DIDN'T GO THERE. PE Brown: BUT YOU HAD TO DEAL WITH THAT IN YOUONAL LIFE, BUT THEN UNDER PUBLIC--
>> WE WERE JUST STARTING WOMEN T TENNIS AND INKING I CAN'T, EVEN IF I'M HAVING THESE MIXED FEGINGS, AND NOT UNDERSTAND WHO I AM, I CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT. I DON'T KNOW WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS, I DON'T KINW WHAT I'M FE SO IT WAS JUST A VERY DIFFICULT NOW, IF YORE GAY, YOU DON'T LOSE YOUR ENDORsem*nTS. YES, THAT WHAT IT'S ABOUT-- IT'S BETTER NOW. I CAN BREATHE SEAIN, BECAUSE I OTHERS NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT. THAT'S WHAT ISLL ABOUT, MAKING THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE.
>> Brown: ALL THESE THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, ALL THESE THINGS YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH, ON AND OFF THE COURT, I WOULD IMAGINEHE E THING EVERYBODY STILL TALKS TO YOU ABOUT IS THE BATTLE OF THE SEXES.
>> YES, JEFF, EVERY SINGLE DAY SINCE THAT MATCH, THAT HAS COME UP.
>> Brown: IN 1973: KINR BEAT THE 55 YOLD FORMER NUMBER NUMBER ONE AND SELF-DESCRIBED "MALE CHAUVINIST PIG" BOBBY RIGGS IN AN EXTRAORDINARILY-HYPE SPECTACLE. IT WAS WATCHED BY A WORLD-WIDE AUDIENCE OF MORE THAN 90 MILLION PEOPLE, AND DRAMATIZED LAST YEAR IN A FILM STARRING EMMA STONE AND STEVE CARELL.
>> YOU TALK TO PEOPLE AND THEY , "I HAD THIS BET WITH MY DAD, OR MY WIFE, OR MY HUSBAND, YOU KNOW." IT'S HILARIOUS. ONE GUY SAYS HE KNOWS A FRIEND OF HIS THREW HISWIV THROUGH THE OW BECAUSE HE MADE SOME BIG BETS ON IT.
>> Brown: YOU HEAR THIS EVERY DAY, HUH? AH, I HEAR IT EVERY DAY. BUT I JUST THINK, WHEN I WAKE UP, BECAUSE I STILL FORGET SOMETIMES-- I WAKE UP IN A COLD SWEAT AND I'M LIKE, I THINK I YEHAVEN'T PLAYED THIS MATC
>> Brown: REALLY?
>> OH, YEAH. WHAT IF I HAVEN'T PLAYED IT YET. S. I GO: OH, I WON. THANK GOD! THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I KNOW, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN HORRIBLE!
>> Brown: YOU'RE STI SO ACTIVE, ARE YOU SLOWING DOWN? ARE YOU EVER GOING TO SLOW DOWN?
>> NO, NO. I KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT, I KEEP YELLING AT ALL MY PEOPLE THAT I WORK WITH, YOU NOW IN FIVE YEARS I'M GOING TO BE 80, AND WHAT ARE WE DOING? HOW ARE WE GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE? wnT'S GO.
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